Tuesday, April 17, 2012

NCHSAA to vote on whether to keep Charlotte Catholic in membership

N.C. High School Athletic Association member schools will vote this week on whether Cardinal Gibbons and other parochial non-boarding schools can remain in the organization.

A ballot has been sent to the association’s 390 schools and school principals, who are the voting members of the association, have until next Tuesday to return ballots.

A three-fourths majority is needed for the measure to pass and to change the NCHSAA constitution. The NCHSAA constitution says that public schools and non-boarding parochial schools such as Gibbons, Charlotte Catholic and Kernersville McGuinness may be members. Charlotte Christ the King, a new Catholic school, was expected to enter the NCHSAA in 2013.

The vote is at the request of Salisbury, West Rowan, East Rowan, South Rowan, North Rowan and China Grove Carson. The NCHSAA constitution requires a membership vote if six or more schools request an item be placed on a ballot.

“To me it is a question of boundaries,” said Joe Pinyan, the Salisbury High athletic director. “Our students come from a specific area. Theirs do not. Their players can come from anywhere.

“It is not a level playing field.”

Davis Whitfield, the NCHSAA commissioner, said Gibbons, McGuinness and Catholic had been exemplary members of the association.

“I think the eligibility rules that we have in place have been effective,” he said.

The non-boarding parochial members of the NCHSAA have additional eligibility requirements.

Students who transfer to the schools are ineligible for athletics for one year. Gibbons, McGuinness and Catholic have been very successful in winning state championships and Gibbons currently leads the Chase’s Wells Fargo Cup all-sports competition.

Gibbons has won 34 NCHSAA state championships since 2005.

State associations throughout the country are confronted with the fairness of private schools playing in associations made up primarily of public schools.

Since 2009, eight state associations have adopted a multiplier for its private school members. The private schools multiply their enrollments by a designated number to determine their classifications. The effect is to put private schools in the larger classification, usually playing larger schools.

Bobby Cox, the executive director of the Indiana High School Athletic Association, told High School Today magazine that private schools make up 14 percent of the membership and won 40 percent of state titles. In Ohio, private schools make up 16 percent of the membership, but won 70 percent of the titles. Georgia recently expanded from five divisions to six after non-public schools won 26 of 28 state titles, excluding football, wrestling and boys track) since 2008.

Also on the ballot is creating a separate NCHSAA playoff bracket for charter schools, which are public schools but are not governed by local boards of education. Under the proposed change, charter schools would compete in NCHSAA conferences as they do now, but if a charter school qualified for the playoffs in any sport it would be placed in a charter-school bracket to compete against other charter school members.

-- Tim Stevens, Raleigh News and Observer

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Its so unfair for schools like catholic to compete with punlic schools. If they couldnt recruit they wouldnt be so good. Might be a comment from a hater but its true. Let them compete with other private schools or allow public schools to recruit.

Anonymous said...

Public*

Anonymous said...

Catholic actually does not/is not allowed to recruit. You are confusing them with CHarlotte christian who is allowed to recruit. I believe that is why they have been allowed to compete with the public schools. I think it's unfair these other schools are asking for them to be removed. No one had a problem back when they weren't playing so well....

Anonymous said...

I remember when i lived in University and a Bus would pick up kids going to Catholic. Bottom line they recruit and the parents move there kids there for a leg up. Let them compete in a Private School Conference. If you have to pay to attend then you are listed in Private School Conference.

Anonymous said...

Are the athletes paying the same tuition as the rest of the student body or are they on scholarship? If scholarship then I agree it is not fair, that is recruiting, no matter what you call it.

Anonymous said...

Why would they create a separate bracket for charter schools? If their argument is that Charters have the same advantage a private school like Catholic does, why not just apply the same transfer rule to them (transfers sit out a year)?

John said...

Obviously, can't handle the competition!

Anonymous 1:02, your ignorance is showing. They bus, so they are recruiting and should be banned? C'mon! CMS used to bus and fought in court to keep bussing, and they HAD NEIGHBORHOOD schools available.

Catholic schools bus because they only have a few schools to serve a whole region.

John said...

Anonymous 11:46, it's so unfair that public schools are so screwed up that they can't compete with schools like Catholic either on the field or, more importantly, in the classroom!

But these schools, like some on this board, respond to that by bashing the private schools instead of holding the public schools accountable.

Anonymous said...

As members of the NCHSAA, these three private schools are not allowed to recruit, and they follow this rule to the letter because they want to play in the conference with the larger public schools. Any student receiving financial assistance at these schools is ineligible to participate in sports, and again, the schools follow this rule very closely. None of these schools recruit. The argument "if they couldn't recruit, they wouldn't be so good" is invalid. Like Catholic and Gibbons, public schools such as Charlotte Providence, Charlotte Independence, Raleigh Broughton, and Cary Green Hope are/have been sports powerhouses, proving that schools that don't recruit can be good.

Anonymous said...

Currently attending Catholic, we DO NOT recruit. Some of the best athletes have been in the school system since kindergarten. The majority of the student-athletes here attend the school for the religious and academic aspect. It is unfair for other schools to ask for us to be removed. Also, swimming has won the state title for the last 11 years, without a swimming pool. Catholic tennis remains a powerhouse, without tennis courts. The students within the school are very competitive in the academic and athletic aspect, thus driving them to become great athletes. This petition is unfair to the student-athletes at Catholic.

Anonymous said...

It is NOT about if you recruit, which In doubt happens. It is about boundaries, which Catholic schools have NONE.

Anonymous said...

Charlotte Catholic has no place in the public school league. Spin it anyway you want if you want to send your kids to a better school than some of the publics and you cant get into Country Day Latin Providence Day and play sports your stuck.

Anonymous said...

Catholic wins despite of no support from the archdiocease in any sport.....no fields no equipment no pools...The school is a profit center for the Bishop...( only 70% of tuition goes to the school) There school is a old office building and the new high school uptown is in a warehouse.....Please go to a catholic game there uniforms are at least 10 years old and not enough helmuts to go around...So before you judge come look its the worst school campus in the county......

Anonymous said...

Interesting comments here. I know the kids are not there based solely on religious beliefs because I saw a Jewish kid on one of Catholics ball teams. I think the fact that they are allowed to play the private schools as well as the public schools is a double standard not afforded the public schools.

As for a previous posters comment that Indy is proof that you can be a power house without recruiting......bad choice of schools to make your point. (Don't use Butler or Mallard Creek either)

Anonymous said...

Anyone who thinks catholic recruits needs to do some research. The vast majority of kids who go there have been in the catholic system since elementary school. Plus, they make anyone who does transfer there sit out from sports for a whole year for no other reason than to discourage kids from going there strictly for sports. Ever consider the possibility that maybe there good because of hard work, discipline and straight up pride in themselves? its not there fault they have better work ethics than kids at public schools. besides, this is america, If you think people should be penalized because there successful try moving to Cuba

Frustrated Blogger said...

Catholic recruiting or not doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is their kids can come from anywhere. It's not fair to have kids living in SC completing for NC state championships. A while back they had a golfer win not ONE but TWO state golf championships and never lived a day in NC. That's the issue.

Anonymous said...

Scoreboard!

Anonymous said...

Great lesson here. As long as you can beat someone and keep them around for 50 years its okay but once they start getting better now it's not fair. Make stuff up, spread rumors and take the moral high ground. Vote Catholic out. What you gain on the field you lose in respect.

Anonymous said...

Typical victim mentality. This is just more evidence as to why public school education isn't any better than it is.

Why aren't Independence, Butler and Mallard Creek good examples to use? They are public schools. I guess they are the right kind of public schools to use as an example. This is because THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

I guess public schools want mediocrity and parity. They don't want to strive for excellence. By voting out private schools, they'll be able to "dumb down" their athletics.

Anonymous said...

Bottom line, All the Rowan County schools just have to have a excuse!!!It's a joke..I wouldn't be surprised if Kannapolis was involved in this request as well!!!Catholic is far from a school that recruits!!!

Private Schools Australia said...

Let's wait for the final vote result and see whether Cardinal Gibbons and other parochial non-boarding schools will remain in the organization or not.

Anonymous said...

Just because officials at a school do not recruit, does not mean the teammates don't recruit. friends recruit their friends!

Someone commented about the swim team at Charlotte Catholic winning the state meet for the past 11 years. Actually Cardinal Gibbons, another private school, has won state or at least been in the top three for probably just as long.

Public School North Meck won state for swimming, but can you really count that as an equal public school when it is a magnate school, and therefore has students from other neighborhoods attending? There should be a rule for magnate students, that if they play a sport, they play for the school that their home is zoned for no matter where they attend. Then you might actually have students who really want to attend a magnate school for its academics specialties, go there for the right reasons!

For the record, very few schools have their own pool, private or public. The best school swim teams win because of the private club swimmers that are on those school teams. The private schools and magnate schools students convince their friends to attend their school.

Magnates are just luck of the draw. However, many of the student athletes get financial aide at the private schools. They don't live close to the school they attend, but they go their to be with their friends, and who wouldn't want a discounted or free private education?

It is my understanding that there are even students from Wilmington who attend Cardinal Gibbons. They just live with a friend or in an apartment. And it is also true about students living in South Carolina who attend Charlotte Catholic. So the fact is, there is not a fair playing field.

Saying someone cannot play a sport for a year, does not make it any more fair when they become "so called legal" to play.

The fact is that public schools have boundaries and if the rules that apply to public schools are going to be enforced fairly, then there needs to be a separate league for private schools that cannot in any way enforce boundary rules.

By the way in Pittsburg, PA school districts are smaller (actually called townships) and there is a Catholic school in each one. Students are not allowed to jump townships. These districts are as close as Raintree and Ballentyne are to each other in South Charlotte. No crossing to a different Catholic school up there to pad a sports team and go to school with your friend.

Bottom Line: The private schools should have their own league where all their schools can play under the same rules in order to make it a fair playing field and magnate rules should be changed as well so students play for their Home/Neighborhood school therefore making it a more fair playing school for public schools.