Wednesday, August 29, 2007

5 reasons Independence will lose Saturday

The Independence Patriots have won 109 straight games, but those seven years of success will end Saturday night.
Yes, Cincinnati Elder will upset the Patriots at the Ohio vs. USA challenge in Cincinnati, ending the second-longest winning streak in high school football history. Go ahead and shake your head (a few other Observer reporters have), but consider this: the last time I picked Independence to lose came in its regular-season game against Butler last season – a game the Patriots had to rally from a 21-point deficit to win 30-24 in double overtime.
And, I’m a little familiar with Ohio football. I grew up outside Columbus, and teams there don’t cancel games for rain or snow. They will play in any conditions, and play well. According to Rivals.com, Ohio has six of the top 100 recruits in the country – North Carolina has two. Only one of those recruits is playing in this game – and he’s not on Independence. In fact, he’s one of the five reasons Elder will be the streak stopper Saturday.
Five reasons Independence loses Saturday:
1. The crowd. Expect 20,000 fans at Nippert Stadium in Cincinnati, and all but a handful of them will be rooting against the Patriots. Elder regularly draws 10,000 to its stadium, and this is its biggest game of the season.
2. Elder’s tradition. Independence’s streak is impressive, but Elder has faced a school with a longer streak. De La Salle High School in California had a 151-game streak until 2004. Elder lost to De La Salle 56-38 last year, but the Panthers have had generations worth of experience in big games. Elder has won 519 games, 65 percent of its games. The school has been playing football since 1923, or more than 30 years before Independence coach Tom Knotts was born.
3. Independence’s distractions. The Patriots are taking a lengthy day of travel Friday, and then have practice late Friday night. Then they have to wait through three games on Saturday before finally taking the field at 7:45 p.m. That’s a lot of waiting around, and a lot of time for nerves to set in.
4. Kyle Rudolph. The Elder tight end – ranked the No.25 recruit in the nation by rivals.com – has committed to Notre Dame, and his size will give Independence trouble. He’s 6-foot-7, 230 pounds. The Patriots like to blitz, but Elder can negate that with quick screens to Rudolph that will exploit the Independence aggressiveness.
5. Elder coach Doug Ramsey. Independence has a lot of new faces. Ramsey has won two state championships, so he knows how to find an opponent’s weakness. Last week, Ramsey called a fake punt on 4th-and-20 from the Elder 34, and Rudolph ran for a first down. That’s a call none of Independence’s other opponents would dare to make. Independence won’t handle adversity well playing 500 miles from home.
-- Kevin Cary

69 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am an Elder alum and fan. I hope you're correct, and will be there to witness the upset, should it happen. One reason you gave was Coach Ramsey- he is a fine coach, with a decent team this year. It remains to be seen if this is one of our best. But Ramsey did not call the fake punt- Rudolph took off on his own, because Lakota West was lazy in lining up for the play. Lakota actually had 13 players on the field at the time. Rudolph is indeed a special player.

Brandon said...

Independence has faced adversity before and thrived. Your prediction of Butler beating Independence was wrong, in any and every way you look at it, regardless of how close it was, so your point regarding how accurate your predictions are is refutable. In fact, if you want to view that game as another example of when Independence had its back against the wall and still succeeded, there you go. But look back at their streak--not too many games like that. In fact, most were blowouts. They eventually have to lose, but I just hope its to a Charlotte team like Butler or better yet, my alum team Providence, than some Ohio team that only people from Ohio care about. In fact, I give Independence high props for accepting the challenge of putting their streak on the line for the sake of showing their talents against national loud-mouths (organizers of this event in general, not necessarily Elder reps themselves). Also to note, Independence will have prepared and practiced more than just Friday night for this game, just as most high school football teams have been doing this last month. They typically call that training camp, preseason, etc.

Good luck, Patriots!

Anonymous said...

You're certainly entitled to your opinion Kevin. A little too similar to the "way we did it back home" talk of some of your brethren for my taste. Make sure to come back and discuss the game next week. I believe the Big I will win big.

Anonymous said...

Had it been another Cincinnati team then this might be possible. Elder is barely the 5th best team in the city of Cincinnati, 3rd best team in their league and not even top 25 in the state.

I am disappointed that the Big I does not get matched up with a better opponent.

That is what makes Independence so incredible is their ability to win year after year by reloading. THAT is the sign of a great program.

Good luck to both teams and safe travel for the "I" army!

Anonymous said...

Maybe if you and the Observer kept up with "all" local high school sports instead of Ohio sports, all sports would be covered in full.

You guys seem to talk about Coach Ramsey with reverence; Knotts and staff ain't chopped liver.

Good luck NC football, Charlotte, and the Independence Patriots.

Anonymous said...

The first two reasons are really non factors. Indy has played to large and hostile crowds. In regards to tradition, there will not be any "old timers" except in the stands. Football is football and the primary factors are on the field. Hopefully Indy will learn from Byrnes and realize they have to "bring it" for the entire game and not in spurts.

Daniel said...

First of all everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this guy is so far off base it isn't funny. My supervisor just moved down here from Ohio 2 years ago and when I found out Independence was playing Elder I asked him about them. He said that they were mediocore at best. He said there were 2 other teams in the Cincinnati area that were much better than them. I can't remember their names. I think he said Mobley and Princeton but don't quote me on that. Anyway I asked him what his prediction was. He said that Independence should win in a blow out. That's good enough for me. I am not from the Charlotte area, I was born and raised in Lexington where football once ruled. My high school won back to back state titles in 1985 and 1986. But I respect what Tom Knotts has done and I am going to be an Independence Patriot fan this weekend. I know they will represent our state well as well as the Charlotte area. Good Luck Patriots, go up there and take out the Purple and Silver Panthers.

Anonymous said...

Compelling argument, Mr. Cary. Here are five reasons Indy will win:
1) They are more talented than Elder: they hit harder, run faster and and last longer across the board.

2) Indy has a lot more at stake than Elder and KNotts will have them mentally prepared for the game. Last year when Butler had Indy down 21, Indy didn't panic. They wanted the game more and they made it happen.

3) Knotts wouldn't travel all the way to Ohio if he knew he was going to lose.

4) Indy has much more depth than Elder.

5) Great tight ends like the kid on Elder don't scare Indy. Last season Indy faced a great--top ranked even--TE in the NC championship game. He got his yards, but Indy wore out his team.

Face it Mr. Cary. N.C. is as good, if not better, than ohio in football!

Anonymous said...

The 2nd reason, Elder's tradition, is completely irrelevant. Descent research but very irrelevant to your point.

Anonymous said...

The biggest reason of all that Elder will get killed is because they are an all white team. No offense, but these guys will blow by you and score at will.

White Guy

Anonymous said...

NO!
you are sadly mistaken..
i moved from Ohio my sophmore year from Columbus to Independence, i've played football there all my life.. as soon as i started off season training with them i was amazed! The stuff that we do i have never heard of another Ohio team doing... Ohio football tradition is great, but it's a new day.. You guys are in for a rude awakening..

Independence Football

Anonymous said...

NC football is better than Ohio football. Indy all the way, Coach Knotts!
Rex Kern

Anonymous said...

I've got a better question: Why in the devil is Independence playing ANYONE who's not in either of the two Carolinas? Never mind The Streak--a high school football team playing a game this far from home is nuts. I don't know who gave this the green light, but it's ridiculous.

It would make sense for Indepedence to take on other schools in either Carolinas, or maybe even Georgia or Virginia at the outside. But OHIO?! Fine schools up that way, sure, but OHIO?!

If Independence loses, they will have deserved it. Not because they're a bad team, but someone somewhere simply wasn't thinking.

Anonymous said...

Independence is a great team and great tradition and should beat Elder. Like another said, they are at best the 4th best team in Cincy. and not close to the top 10 in the entire state of Oh..maybe not top 20. The I should be embarrassed if they lose this game.

As good at The I is, let'd get real though. I've seen Independence play a state semi final game against a team that wouldn't have a prayer to win the Greater Catholic league in Cincy... Probably couldn't have won the city title of any of the big cities in OH.

Look at the # of college & NFL players from each state and it really isn't even close even per capita. The depth of HS football talent isn't really even comparable.

That being said, I would expect Independence to win Saturday. Too bad they don't get St. X or Colerain this year...I would chalk that up as an L for the Big I since they would be on the road. I applaud the I for taking the challenge and traveling for a big game.

Anonymous said...

Great Logic huh? Thats why you get paid the big bucks. Anyways, I don't think them playing a team that is not even one of the best in Ohio this year is going to prove anything. If Independence loses then it proves that NC football is not as great as we all think and if they win, well Indy just beat a team that is the 3rd best in the city. I think the Patriots have to win and win big, like a 55-14 type game, to garner any respect from everybody outside of NC.

Anonymous said...

Even the man this event is named after believes Elder is going to get beat. He said they aren't bad but just aren't good enough to hang with Indy this year. He said this on Mark Packer's sports talk show. He said the Cincy high school football power moves from school to school from year to year and said this wasn't Elder's year. Herbie went on to say Elder would need to play flawlessly. Indy wins big! Kevin stick to reporting prep football for Lincoln\Gaston counties.

Anonymous said...

Indy will most likely win this game, but if you think that NC football is better then OH football you are sorely mistaken. Elder is quite possibly the worst Ohio team in the event this year. Colerain, St. Xavier, Glenville, McKinley, and possibly even Moeller would handily beat this Independence team. The reason you will NEVER see a streak like this in Ohio is because the football is so good here. You may be loaded every year but you better believe that there are at least 10 teams that will have a very good chance at winning the state title every year.

Pittsburgh said...

Ok...lets clear the air. NC football is no where near the quality that you see in Ohio or Pennsylvania. I attended the Indy game last friday, NOT IMPRESSED! For 3rd in the nation, they should've DESTROYED Olympic. They were only up 22-0 at half bc the Olympic QB practically gave them the ball every 3 plays. Independence would have had trouble beating a good Pittsburgh team. Face it....NC football isnt as good as alot talk it up to be! Leave football to the North, you can keep/have basketball.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, this isn't the best match-up. Cincinnati Colerain should be playing the vaunted I. The past means nothin'. I know little about the I...does Michael Jordan play for 'em.

Anonymous said...

I'm a Cincy guy and an Elder graduate, here is the low down. Elder is the 4th ot 5th best team in the City this year. Flip a coin with Colerain/X, then LaSalle, and finally Elder/Moeller. X, LaSalle, Elder, and Moeller make up the Greater Catholic League (GCL), which is considered by many to be the strongest league in Ohio.

Elders colors are purple and white and they have the best fan base in the State, along with Massilon. You can check out the website at www.ehsports.com

As far as the game goes i think Ind. will win by a 28-10 type of score. IMO, Ind. will be to fast for Elder and they will have problems with the blitzing packages Ind. will throw at them. Elder's major weakness this year is the O-line. Colerain or St X. and possibly LaSalle all would of been better matchups and I think all would beat Ind. this year.

Anyway, for those of you making the trip this weekend enjoy your stay and have some fun watching some great HS football.

Anonymous said...

I really doubt the reporter even believes what he wrote. Clearly this is a "plant" article to give the bloggers something to respond to and it works which is why we all like it. The best part about the comments is I see a diversity among the bloggers and a general sense that Tarheel supporters, regardless of their High School preference, really do want to see Indy make a good showing for the state and for the credibility of its high school football programs. We may not yet be in the league of teams from Ohio, Florida, Texas, California or Pennsylvania but we think the gap is closing and at least we are in the conversation now like we have never been before. A loss by Indy is not just a loss for the school but a loss for all of us in both Carolinas that want to see our teams continue to gain respect and enhance the reputation of teams and athletes that deserve to be in the mix. We're good and getting better and hopefully, one of our own can prove that on Saturday night.

fayetteville football said...

Mr. Kevin. Yeah your entitled to your opinion and I respect that Ohio pride. That's the only reason why you would pick Elder. In my lifetime I've seen a lot of high school football. I was a freshman in College in California when De La Salle was in the Midst of there streak.(99) I was impressed with their streak. If you would of seen the watered down competition they played against. I hope that you don't take this comment wrong. It's not about race, but then again it's football right? I played 3 years of college football in the Big 12 and never seen a white corner or safety or running back. With that said, I don't think that Ohio schools could compete at a high level with North carolina, just because of that reason. Speed Kills and everyone know Independence has alot. Pittsburg: the comment you made about football. Everyone knows football is played down south. Yall need to stick to baseball. I really believe that we didn't have to send Independence to play in this classic to win. We could of sent Richmond, Bulter, Thomasville, Greenville Rose to name a few. I think that this game will get ugly and fast. The players know that they are representing their school, themselves and more importantly.....NORTH CAROLINA! We do have pride and my prediction is 35-7

Anonymous said...

I'm from Cincinnati and I've followed OH high school closely for about 15 years. Elder was the most dominant team in the state of Ohio from 2001 - 2003, winning state championships in 2 of those 3 years. I still contend that their 2001 team was their best team in school history but was upset in the regional finals.

Nevertheless, after a couple of mediocre seasons, Elder has what I would characterize as their best team since their last state champ team in 2003 although certainly not as good as that team. They're probably the 3rd or 4th best team in Cincinnati and I would rank them in the top 8-12 in the state this year. That may not sound impressive to the folks in North Carolina but the depth of quality teams in Cincinnati and the state of Ohio is impressive and only matched by a handful of states in the nation.

As you'll see on Saturday, Elder has the best group of receivers that Indy will see this year. Notre Dame bound Kyle Rudolph is only one of three recievers that will likely play Div 1 football in college. The problem Elder is having is getting the O=line to block well enough to give the QB time to get the ball to their talented receivers. If this issue isn't resolved by Saturday, I expect Indy to win 20 points.

Elder is a physical team this year but is susceptible to giving up long runs. Their D-line is excellent but limited speed in the secondary can be exploited.

The only warning that I would give you Indy fans is that Elder has a long history of beating teams with much more individual talent than they have. For example, in 2001 Elder beat 3 teams ranked #1 in the state of Ohio at the time they played them (all were also ranked in the top 25 in the nation by USA Today at the time), including Warren Harding who was led by Maurice Clarrett (running back who helped Ohio State win the national chanpionship the following year). All 3 of those opponents had advantages in athletisism and team speed yet were convincingly beaten by Elder. Obviously, this is a different Elder team but this schools history for pulling off these types of victiories in football and other sports is uncanny.

Daniel said...

Let's get one thing straight. I talked to my boss today and he told me that Elder is allowed to recruit it's players because they are Independent of the Ohio High School Atheletic Association. They are a Catholic school and can recruit as does Moeller and the other schools mentioned. And I got clarified from my previous blog that the two best schools in Cincy are Moeller and Princeton. Anyway. If a school that can recruit players can't beat a school that isn't allowed to recruit, I think that says something about NC football, don't you??? And for all you high school football fans that want to watch the game live, you can watch Independence live on the internet for about the same as you would pay to get into a high school game in this state. Just go to:
http://www.ohiovsusa.tv//liveEvents/liveEvents.dbml?db_oem_id=5912
That will set you up to watch Independence vs. Elder Saturday night. Go Patriots, I am gonna watch Davie County vs. Thomasville Friday night, then Saturday, I am an Independence fan. Go big I and the green and yellow. Make our state proud!!!!

Anonymous said...

Just like Ohio State was going to beat Floridia! Indy wins hands down.

Anonymous said...

Let's start off by saying all of you are idiots. Next, Elder has never recruited and they get all of their students from the west side of cincinnati. Where did Independence's rb and qb come from? Did they move to play for Independence or did they live there for their entire life like every elder players? No way the "I" will be able to withstand the intensity of the Elder Nation. I'll predict around 10,000 Elder fans along with many other Ohioans who would love to see Independence's precious record end at 109.

Anonymous said...

Daniel, your boss is an IDIOT and knows nothing about Elder, let alone Ohio high school football. Elder does not and has never recruited a player. Our kids come from the same westside neighborhoods year after year. It's that simple. We are not independent of the Ohio High School Athletic Association, that is just a stupid statement.
Lastly, Princeton hasn't been a factor in Cincinnati HS football for over a decade. The powers that be are Colerain and St. X. Elder has had a few down years after winning back to back DI state titles and Moe is still a strong program.
Get your facts straight.

Anonymous said...

Daniel, your boss' comments are laughable. First of all, Princeton hasn't had a competitive team for at least 10 years - they are a total NON_FACTOR in Ohio football.

The football powers in Cincinnati in the past decade have been St X, Colerain and Elder, period.

Regarding the comments about Elder recruiting - another laughable comment. Elder is located in the west-side of Cincinnati. Unlike St X that draws players from the entire city, Elder's player have always come from the same west side, Catholic neighborhoods for the past 80 years.

Your boss doesn't know what he's talking about and he's making you look like an idiot passing along his ludicrous comments!

Josh Brown said...

I'm a former bIg football player, class of 2003, Knotts knows how to perpare for a football game, no mater who the opponent is, know that the bIg will come ready, the workout and practice regiment at the bIg are like that of a high profile college team. Independence has this game COVERED, TRUST ME, I KNOW.
-Former bIg football

Anonymous said...

Whether the Ohio teams in that division recruited anybody, nobody really knows but the coach and the players. My question is that CAN THEY RECRUIT IF THEY WANTED TO? Maybe some of you guys from Ohio can enlighten us. Just because the players from Elder are from the West side doesn't necessarily mean they don't recruit. Indy seems to be down this year as they have been the past couple of years. The Indy teams of the Chris Leak, Joe Cox era would have mopped the floor with any team in Ohio. Thats just a fact.

Dingleberry Don said...

Too bad its not at the Pit...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2001-10-25-top10-stadiums-elder.htm

Anonymous said...

So I hear that Knotts didn't even want tape on ELder because he said some along the lines that , "Elder will very easy to handle because they are too WHITE."

what a dumbass, isn't he white?

Anonymous said...

Elder can not and does not recruit. I don't know how to say that any easier.

We have a saying at Elder "Only the first names change. The last names remain the same." That basically means that generation after generation send their sons to Elder. We are a neighborhood school and it's rare that someone from outside that area attends Elder.

Anonymous said...

Elder will likely not win this game but the Indy fans that attend will thoroughly enjoy the Elder student cheering Section and Elder fans - they are fanatics and are fun to watch.

It's too bad these teams didn't play 3 or 4 years ago - it would have been a war!

Anonymous said...

Knotts did not say anything about the racail makeup of Elder.

He is also not going into this game without knowing what he's getting into. He drove 8 hours last weekend to Cinci to scout Elder.

No high school coach anywhere knows how to prepare for an opponent. Knotts will have his team ready.

Indy 40 Elder 10

Anonymous said...

Yes, I did make racial comments about Elder.

Anonymous said...

Mr cary ..you are a joke to say they will lose . come on man yeh you said oh they will lose to butler well guess what you have to finish the game buddy . Indy came back and whooped that ass . welll see tonight . your such a joke , your supposed to be on nc's side go move bnack to ohio or whebver the hell your from

Anonymous said...

Is this game televised in Charlotte?

dingleberry don said...

Did DeVonte Holloman get suspended for this game? Any truth to that?

Anonymous said...

Independence is a strong football team. However NC football is not even on the same page as Ohio football. Just like Ohio football is not on the same page as Florida football. If Independence wins all that is accomplished is that they beat a middle of the road football team. If they lose the streak is over. If I were coach Knotts I would not have taken this game unless I was playing an Ohio Powerhouse like Cleveland Glenville, or Canton McKinley.

Anonymous said...

I agree... I am a football fan from SC and anytime that Independence has played Byrnes they have lost, even if it was a game that didn't count.. That is why Independence doesn't want to play anyone outside of the NC because they will lose and will lose that losing streak. SC has always been known to have teams that are powerhouses and the reason why is because every year we have teams that play outside of the state. Take for instance a couple of years ago when Byrnes played Evangel Christian in Louisiana... They were a Top 5 team in the US. They also played in the tournament in OH last year and won. They should have beat EC when they played them. Summerville play Booker T Washington from FL. The point is Independence is scared to play teams outside of NC for real until today...

Josh Brown said...

I DISAGREE,the bIg has played plenty of out of state teams, the S.C. state champs and power house Spartanburg twice, in 2002-2003, and Indy whopped them. In 2001 Indy played Austin East, a team from Tenn., we whooped them too, 77-13!!! We also beat Byrnes last year in a scrimmage. So dont say the bIg is scared of out of state teams, b/c they're not!! Much respect to u though.

Anonymous said...

It looks like Indy will squeak by an average team from Cincinatti. I like the way they fought in this game, but Booker T would have beat them by 30, and Northwestern would beat them by a larger margin. Indy is a very good team, but they are not on the same level as some of the other elite teams..THIS YEAR..If Elder gave them fits there is no way they could play with the elite teams in Ohio, Florida, Texas, and California...That being said I am still proud of them.

Anonymous said...

Not so fast my friend..OT. I don't think Elder was concerned with this super fast Indy team...They would be a good team in Cincy, but 100 games in a row in Ohio...never..not even 30

Indy would struggle to win Elder's league or the GCL

Anonymous said...

well, well, well....Hmm...so much for that Patriot speed huh?....nice choke...when you finally go play someone.

Anonymous said...

ndy played Austin East, a team from Tenn., we whooped them too, 77-13!!

Austin East wasn't even in the top division in TN...that's like beating South Meck...

Anonymous said...

"They are more talented than Elder: they hit harder, run faster and and last longer across the board".

Really?

Anonymous said...

"The biggest reason of all that Elder will get killed is because they are an all white team. No offense, but these guys will blow by you and score at will".


Hmm..nice theory loser

Anonymous said...

Well Indy just lost to an average team from Ohio...Arent you glad they didnt play Booker T or Northwestern from Miami? Both teams are significantly BIGGER AND FASTER than Indy. I respect their streak, that was classic, but it also shows the lack of quality teams in NC....

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't call Elder "average", but they aren't the best team in Cincy.
Colerain or St. X are probably each 10-14 better than Elder. St. X is rated #1 by a few polls and for good reason. Some say the GCL league in Cincy is the toughest conference in America.

Anonymous said...

So much for the predictions from the writers at the Observer that Ind. would roll Elder. And the one guy even predicted before the season they would go 152-0.

Ind. is a tough team, but Elder flat out played them in the second half and gutted out a win in front of the Elder Nation!!!

ELDER WINS!!!!!

Anonymous said...

i guess independence was too black to win

Anonymous said...

As I stated in an earlier post, anyone that follows Elder knows you can't underestimate then in big-time games like this. They have uncanny record of beating teams that are better than them on paper.

I attended the game tonight and it was without a doubt the most entertaining football game I have ever seen - an absolute WAR!

I also warned you about Elder's wide receivers and tight end. These guys are extremely talented and I could tell from reading this blog that the Indy fans were underestimating them along with the Elder team in general. They may only be the 3rd or 4th best team in Cincinnati but they are vey good. The qauality and depth of high school footbal in Cincinnat is exceptional

Anonymous said...

I watched the Colerain/Hoover Game, the Moeller/Mission Viejo game, and the Elder/Independance Game. In the Elder game the win can be attributed to halftime adjustments. Elder was unstopable in the second half, and defensively opportunistic forcing 3 turnovers. The quarterback for Independance(a sophomore) was the most impressive to me. His ball fakes were top notch and his arm strength and accuracy were phenominal. I hope Independance does go on to win their 8th straight N.C. State Title, they have a class organization from their players/coaches to their fans. Thanks for coming up guys!

Anonymous said...

come play an ohio team again in seven years when you get your streak back up


ELDERelderELDER

Anonymous said...

All the hype that Independence Fans, and NC hs football fans in general, perpetuate has been disproven by Ohio and more importantly Elder High School.

All that matters is that Elder was better last night.

Let the excuses flow...

Anonymous said...

Some of the better pregame comments:
"The biggest reason of all that Elder will get killed is because they are an all white team. No offense, but these guys will blow by you and score at will." (Hey, Elder has some African-American players, darn good kids who also happen to be darn good players.)
"I am disappointed that the Big I does not get matched up with a better opponent." (Why, so you could lose by a bigger margin?)
"I played 3 years of college football in the Big 12 and never seen a white corner or safety or running back. With that said, I don't think that Ohio schools could compete at a high level with North carolina, just because of that reason. Speed Kills and everyone know Independence has alot." (I think the kid who intercepted the pass to end the game and the streak is white, I'll check.)
"Independence has this game COVERED, TRUST ME, I KNOW." (Then again, maybe not.)
"No high school coach anywhere knows how to prepare for an opponent. Knotts will have his team ready.

Indy 40 Elder 10"(Umm, not correct.)

Oh, and to those Independence fans in section 125 who were hootin' and hollerin' when Independence was up 2 tds, "What is the GCL? This GCL ain't crap. We own this house.": SCOREBOARD!!!

Be that as it may, it still was just a football game, so I am sincere when I say that I hope everyone has a safe trip back to North Carolina.

Anonymous said...

Does our TE scare you now?

Anonymous said...

"5) Great tight ends like the kid on Elder don't scare Indy. Last season Indy faced a great--top ranked even--TE in the NC championship game. He got his yards, but Indy wore out his team."

joseph said...

In response to some of the last few comments:
- a little better research would tell you Elder is one of the elite teams in Ohio.
- rank means nothing until it's backed up by performance
- Elder tradition is VERY RELEVANT, it won the game. Try it some time!

Anonymous said...

I would like to say thanks to Elder and Ind. for the most entertaining HS game I have ever been too. After the game all the Ind. fans I talked to were very gratious and humble after their team just lost a very hard fought game. I hope everyone makes it back safely and I hope you guys had fun this weekend.

Elder fans, great job! The crowd was a major factor late in the game and OT. I said in an earlier poat that if Elder could hang around and get the crowd into the game that could be the difference.

Finally, Rudy for Elder and Ind. QB and WR were by far the best players on the field yesterday.

Anonymous said...

I'm curious, where are all of these folks who made all of the ridiculous comments regarding the superiority of Carolina football? Be sure to follow the football season in SW Ohio this year too... Elder is a very respectable team but as many Ohioans have already pointed out, they will end up between 2nd and 4th in their OWN CONFERENCE! Watch what happens when they run into the real powers of the city! Finally, be truly greatful that you didn't get to play Colerain or X because you wouldn't have just been beaten, you'd have been embarrassed. Good luck on the rest of your season.

Anonymous said...

Where are all you Independence fans now?

Elder won, proving that Ohio owns NC in football. The 3rd-4th best team in the City beat the best team in the whole state of NC.

Anonymous said...

How you like me now?

GCLMan

Anonymous said...

The competition in Charlotte must not be too good.

E L D E R !!!!

ELDER
ELDER
ELDER!!!!

Start a new meaningless streak against sub-par competition in Charlotte...

Tell em DOWNTOWN PABTHER SAID SO!!!

BTW!! Elder is the third best team in Cincinnati this year. AND STILL BETTER THAN INDY!!

Anonymous said...

Im a Big I fan and i thought that game was unbelieveable. If we played you twenty times we would probably of split it 10-10. You elder fans , players and coaches have heart and thanks for the oppertunity to play such an elite program!

Anonymous said...

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't nearly half of the starters for Elder this year and 3 out of 4 of their captains come from the same grade school and have been playing together for their entire lives? I don't think recruiting is a factor.

Anonymous said...

I predicted a win for Indy so I had to come back here. Sounds like it was really a great game. Similar to SEC-Big Ten talk v. the Fla-OSU natl. title game, it only settles who was better on that field, on that night. Congrats to Elder on a well earned victory.

Anonymous said...

"It's a purple thing - you wouldn't understand." Elder - this is what we do.

Elder Mom